AdamHunnicutt
"Bat Wing Broth"
Art House & International and Horror movie directed by Carl Macek and Toyoo Ashida
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The DVD features both English and Japanese language soundtracks with optional English subtitles. It also has a documentary featurette, deleted footage, and an artwork gallery by Amano among its supplements. --Sean Axmaker
Based on the novel D-YOUSATSUKOU by Hideyuki Kikuchi, VAMPIRE HUNTER D follows the exploits of the mysterious vampire hunter known only as D. Half vampire himself (Count...
The otakus compare it with other things visually and this is why the dated animation thing holds up. Most well rounded anime fans know what they're talking about, and if you compare this to lets say Castle of Caglistro, then you know D is dated visually. Even Neo Tokyo holds up pretty well. Yeah, you can say it's unfair to compare it to those titles due to the budget of the former, and that the story was told mainly through the visuals of the latter. But this is a flawed argument as well, since people still use Akira and Ghost in the Shell as examples against later and earlier titles. I think the dated animation thing is a legit complaint. But it shouldn't be the single reason to pan the movie and look over its story, no more than it should be to praise a movie with fantastic visuals and a completely lackluster story. But back to one of your other points. If the third movie was to come out and be visually more impressive than the second. You don't have to take any of the visual claims back, because there is a such thing as standing the test of time, which Akira and Ghost in the Shell are doing to this very day. Maybe in another 30 years they will appear to be dated.
Your second point really doesn't make sense to me. You haven't done many anime reviews so I can't really make any type of judgement from that POV. But you have done lots of movie reviews, and you sound like you have more than a reasonable grasp on what makes a movie work. And I still can't believe you would use the animation as the base on what tells the story. Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust does not come off as a horror/romance because of the visuals. It comes off as one due to the narrative; ie, direction, story, characters and their motives. This is why it feels that way. This movie here makes no real attempt at serious romance even though there are hints to a smaller one. If the original had the visuals of the second, all depending on how it's directed would determine if the horror like setting works or not. Example - High School of the Dead does not have a gritty look, its look is very polish and consist of the usual school girl thing. It deals with very dark content taking place in a zombie apocalypse. It fails miserably due to the clashing of genres. No matter what visual style would have been chosen, it still would come off completely ridiculous and still be a failure because none of it can be taken seriously.
Now, if you watch When They Cry, which uses younger characters in school girl outfits with non gritty visuals. It succeeds because it uses its horror and dark elements very well. In fact, better than any anime I've seen including Requiem from the Darkness.
I would never try to change someone's mind on what they like. I have nothing against anyone for liking or loving anything I don't. I just take issue when folks fact something as being the greatest, especially when it doesn't have an airtight plot, in the case of this right here. If someone says it's the greatest to them, then that's a different story. If you can overlook around 300 anime titles that has a better plot, story, characters, and use of themes than this. Then hey, that's your right to do that and I wouldn't fault someone who feels that way. Personally, I can't do that. I love Cowboy Bebop. But it has nothing on Visions of Escaflowne as far as I'm concerned.
You actually sum up what I was saying in your second paragraph with "I think the dated animation thing is a legit complaint. But it shouldn't be the single reason to pan the movie and look over its story, no more than it should be to praise a movie with fantastic visuals and a completely lackluster story." I am not saying that is not a legit complaint I am saying it is not legit if it is all somebody wants to throw out there. You also some up another point I made when you said "You don't have to take any of the visual claims back, because there is a such thing as standing the test of time, which Akira and Ghost in the Shell are doing to this very day. Maybe in another 30 years they will appear to be dated".
I said in the review "The thing that is truly unfair is judging something based on things it can't help, animation gets better over the years because of the progression of technology and budgets. Hence why I was saying those who do say that and claim that they love the second film for it's visuals based on their statements will then hate the second film because the third looks so good. I was trying to point out how stupid that sounds.
I am a bit confused with "I still can't believe you would use the animation as the base on what tells the story. Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust does not come off as a horror/romance because of the visuals. It comes off as one due to the narrative; ie, direction, story, characters and their motives. This is why it feels that way." I never said that, I said "The second film is a romance tell when it really comes down to it, therefore I think that the polished look and feel to the animation adds onto the over all storyline. Were as the fist film is about a girl taken against her will by creatures of the night that have a bloodlust as deep as their master, this film is more about the evil in that world not the beauty that could be. That means the grainy [dated] and dark feel of the animation is a perfect fit." I was saying that the polished look of the second film added to the story because of the kind of story it was, and the grainy look of the first added to it's atmosphere. I never said the animation is the base of the story, I said it added to it. A visual style does not determine how the story works but it can add to it, I think each ones look added to their stories. I am sure with the right people any look could work for both, but a Grindhouse film works better with the grain and stuff, the first "TX Chainsaw Massacre" felt feel because of its look. The look of something can help or add onto.
I feel you didn't get what I was saying at all because you write "I just take issue when folks fact something as being the greatest, especially when it doesn't have an airtight plot, in the case of this right here". I actually agree with you as I can't stand that either just like with this I was saying I can't stand when people say something is horrible because of one thing, like the animation. I say in the last paragraph "there are those who only like it but prefer the second film based on story, structure, acting or what ever. Those seem like more legitimate reasons to prefer the second film over this one not just disliking it more because of "dated" animation."
Also you say "If someone says it's the greatest to them, then that's a different story.", that is great because I said in the last paragraph "Any way different people have different taste and for me this is a classic by far as is the second one in my opinion,". There are classic out there for sure and to some this isn't one of them, I love "Akira" and others but I also love this one. If someone else doesn't like it, cool, but to just hate on something is as ridiculous as "when folks fact something as being the greatest" like you said.
Like I said in this review it is not pushing my feelings of it on any one else but I will defend it against any one who says my personal feelings are wrong based on one thing. Like that douche that lived next door to us.
"I said in the review "The thing that is truly unfair is judging something based on things it can't help, animation gets better over the years because of the progression of technology and budgets. Hence why I was saying those who do say that and claim that they love the second film for it's visuals based on their statements will then hate the second film because the third looks so good. I was trying to point out how stupid that sounds."
I get what you're saying now, I can't believe I missed those key words "those who say". This is not against ALL naysayers, only those who are looking for the next pretty thing. So you're only going at those who are narrowminded to the point where all they see is the visuals. That was my mistake. What happened is I'm just use to your current review style that only goes on about how you feel about what you're reviewing. And not use to your commentary style, which is addressing a handful of ignorant folks, you don't do that often. Yeah, there's a lot of truth in what you're saying. And the sad thing is, there will be folks to trash the 2nd movie as outdated should the 3rd have better visuals. That's just the way it goes sometimes. The only thing you can do is ignore those folks.