(Before moving any further, if you haven't already I recommend reading the intro to this list titled my Foreword and then going into part one of the series.)
The road has indeed been pretty long but thankfully the wait in-between installments hasn't been. I will not drag this out any further. Here goes the final 10 diss tracks I consider to be The Best of The Best. And this wasn't easy to put in order.
A classic example of the bully getting tossed around the school yard with his ass kicked to pieces. On his 2nd album Resurrection, Common recorded one of his best songs ever calledI Use to Love Her, in which the song was a metaphor where he described hip hop as a woman, and he really didn't like the direction she took when going out West. Ice Cube, Mack-10, and W.C. collectively known as Westside Connection took his song as a diss to the West Coast, and released Westside Slaughterhouse attacking Common, with Cube setting it off with this verse: Used to love her, mad cause we fucked her / Pussy whipped bitch with no Common Sense . At first, Common was going to let it go until the trio were attacking him during an interview which saw Common feeling bullied. The normally quiet rapper from Chicago counterattacked with the scathing diss track The Bitch in Yoo, where he mercilessly dismantled Cube.
Lyrical Beatdown:
A bitch Nigga wit an Attitude named Cube stepped to the Com wit a feud Now what the fuck I look like dissing a whole coast? You ain't made shit dope since AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted to cease from the Midwest to the East on the dick of the East for your first release...
...Natural Born Killa, nigga you natural born God Read, rich, got the nerve to say you rob Hypocrite, I'm filling out your Death Certificate slanging bean pies and St. Ide's in the same sentence Should have repented, on the 16th of October get some beats besides George Clinton to rock over rap career is over, better off acting...
...The ump on this rap shit, Cube, I'm calling out I break in and smack niggaz that's in the Slaughterhouse...
...There's a thin line between the fake and the real Grafted ass nigga, I see through your Glass Shield Had skills once upon a time on this project, yo I'm a have ta wreck a Ho'shea I heard a ho say you her favorite rapper (So what) so I had to slap her, ugn And violate you, a Muslim drinking brew Your nigga ain't no Mack 10, he's a 22...
9) Eazy E feat. Dresta and B.G. Knocc Out - Real Muthaphuckkin G's(Dissing Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg)
Remember when I mentioned friends going at each other and learning different things? When NWA parted ways on very bad terms, Dr. Dre learned that Eazy-E had jerked him out of money despite them also being friends. Dre took a huge shot at Eazy-E with his track Fuck Wit Dre Day, which was a single on his debut classic album The Chronic. Besides former friends airing out each others dirty closets; the thing that also made this special, is that this would be the first time you would see the belittling of another rapper on video. Eazy-E did not take this lightly, oh hell no, he released this diss track against him speaking on how Dre was wearing lipstick and doing other gay like things. Plus how he was never gangster to begin with. Honestly, how Dre managed to keep any type of credibility after this is still beyond me. This is a ruthless character assassination only slightly held back by Eazy-E's boys who restate the same points, but at least their raps didn't come off the least bit wack unlike another crew on a certain diss I left off my list.
Lyrical Beatdown:
Hey Yo docta, here's another propa track and it's phat, watch the snipa, time to pay the piper and let that real shit provoke, so you's a wanna be 'loc and you'll get smoked and I hope that your fans understand when you talk about sprayin' me, the same records that you makin' is paying me..
...(Damn E, they tried to fade you on "Dre Day"!) but "Dre Day" only made Eazy's payday! All of a sudden, Dr. Dre is a 'G Thang' but on his old album covers, he was a she-thing...
...Damn, it's a trip how a nigga could switch so quick From wearing lipstick, to smoking on Chronic at picnics...
I am in that small group who believed that B-Real murdered Ice Cube in this beef from a lyrical standpoint. If you compare both songs lyric for lyric, then it is impossible to find the slightest chance Cube even held his own with Mack-10 backing him up. Anyway, former friends turned enemies here. In the early 90's, Ice Cube and Cypress Hill were very close, it was possible to consider them best friends. Things got crazy when B-Real of Cypress Hill let Cube listen to their single which was set to be on their 3rd album, Cypress Hill III: Temples of Boom. Cube stole the hook from their song and used it on his for the single to his movie Friday. This all lead to B-Real firing the first and most fatal shots of the feud. Many people feel that Common ripped Cube the best in their feud, but I strongly disagree as B-Real broke him down the best with some great punchlines, references, very clever puns on his name and song titles, stating facts, completely dismissing Cube as orginal, instead, accusing him of being a trend hopper along with being a fake friend and a studio gangster. He even warns everyone not to trust him.
Lyrical Beatdown:
So many fools swinging from my sack Let's talk about the one who had my back Down in the west coast, so let me kick it To the motherfucker who calls himself “Wicked” ...
...Jackson - Let me figure out the name... Jack, 'cause you be stealing other niggas’ game...
...Should have known you couldn't hang in the alley Good boy went to school out in the valley...
...I got Cube melting in a tray, pulling up his card and fucking up his "Good Day" Unoriginal rap veteran the nigga who say he don't steal from his friends Don't trust that nigga named O'Shea, FUCK 'EM, and send him on his way
7) Royce Da 5'9 feat. Tre Little - Malcolm X (Dissing D12)
This battle is all the proof you need to know that Royce lives for the battle. The entire time D-12 thought Royce was cool with them because he was friends with Eminem, it was a shock when they found out Royce had disses already written on them close to 3 years old. Anyway, this beef came from jealousy and nothing more. Eminem chose to focus on D-12 instead of helping out Royce with his record, and this would later lead to Royce voicing his opinion on the group openly. D-12 responded to one of Royce's disses, which led to him humiliating the entire crew with Malcom X, a venomous diss track where he rides on each member.
Lyrical Beatdown:
...I am above y'all, when you droppin your raps to diss me I only recognize the top of your hats...
... I just wish Eminem would stop tellin' everybody he ain't speakin' to ME like I'm one of his hoes or somethin' How 'bout this? I ain't speakin to YOU Chump, and I'mma keep pickin on your weak ass crew...
...Bizarre say G-g-g-g-g-g-unit I bet you throw some extra "g's" in it Just like a stutterin' fool can't reach intelligence He sweats when he raps, cuz he got a speech impediment
...Denaun and Swifty please Give it a year, both of y'all be raking 50's leaves What do I know? That other nigga y'all got in your group I don't even know his name, but he can shovel my snow...
...Niggaz is startin' a beef I'm 'bout to end with the quickness I'm 'bout to end this quicker than Bizarre can finish a biscuit Quicker than quick shit, y'all ain't felt the half Quicker than Eminem can pinch Elton's ass...
...I be makin' motherfuckers scratch they heads when I rhyme Y'all lil' niggaz scratch ya heads then rhyme, go play;...
6)Eminem - The Sauce (Dissing Benzino & The Source Magazine)
This is actually the first diss Eminem hurled in Benzino's direction with Nail in the Coffin being the second; many fans are often divided on which they feel is the better diss. Now I prefer Em's comical side because he can be funny as hell when clowning another artist. But in this one rare case, I enjoy the more serious Em, as he lets Benzino have it, by going on about the corruption with the Source magazine. Benzino had a habit of letting personal feelings get in the way, by down rating albums by artist he had issues with, and highly rating his crews albums. To date, this beef stands as Eminem's most personal slightly edging out his feud with Everlast.
Lyrical Beatdown:
...when the Unsigned Hype column at The Source was like our only source of light When the Mics used to mean somethin, a four was like you were the shit, now its like the least you get three and a half now just means you a piece of shit four and a half or five, means you Biggie, Jigga, Nas, or Benzino! Shit, I dont think you even realize you playin with motherfuckers lives...
...No more Source with street cred, them days is dead Ray's got AKs to Dave Mays' head Every issue there's an eight page Made Men spread Will somebody please tell whoever braids his head That I am not afraid, hes just a fuckin waste of lead on my pencil, for me to write some sh*t this simple...
...So he-he-he who has the last laugh? Aftermath ya so on behalf on our whole staff kiss our ass-hole cracks we'll never fold or hold back Just know that Benzino's wack no matter how many times I say his name, he'll never blow, jack You're better off tryin to bring RSO back Look at your track record, thats how far it goes back It's extortion, and Ray owns a portion so half of the staff up there is fresh outta jail from Boston Bullyin and bossing Dave like a slave they've completely brainwashed him and forced him to stay locked in his own office, afraid of the softest, fakest, wannabe gangster in New York And its pitiful...
This is one battle that will always be the most memorable to me, because this is when I completely lost respect for LL. Long story short, on LL's song 4321, in an attempt to show respect to a living legend, Canibus wrote a verse that LL didn't quit agree with. In response, LL forced Canibus to change the verse, while recording his diss towards Canibus verse anyway. Canibus began feeling the pressure from fans since the original version of the song had leaked. This forced Canibus to strike at LL for his bitch move with one of the most venomous diss tracks ever.
Lyrical Beatdown:
I'mma let the WORLD know the truth, you don't want me to shine You studied my rhyme, then you laid your vocals after mine That's a bitch move, somethin that a homo rapper would do So when you say that you 'Platinum', you only droppin 'Clue's' I studied your background, read the book that you wrote researched your footnotes, 'bout how you used to sniff coke frontin' like a drug-free role model, you disgust me I know bitches that seen you smoke weed recently You walk around showin off your body cause it sells plus to avoid the fact that you ain't got skills mad at me cause I kick that shit REAL niggas feel while 99% of your fans wear high heels...
...And if you really want to show off, we can get it on Live in front of the cameras on your own sitcom I'll let you kick a verse, fuck it, I'll let you kick em all I'll even wait for the studio audience to applaud Now watch me rip the tat from your arm Kick you in the groin, stick you for your Vanguard award in front of your mom, your 1st, 2nd and 3rd born make your wife get on the horn, call Minister Farrakhan...
Kool Moe Dee deserves his props, because if there was anyone who came close to ending LL it was definitely him. In the late 80's LL had already blown up and with every hit the cockier he became. Kool Moe Dee mentioned out loud LL had stolen his style and he decided to go after him. He released his album How Do You Like Me Now? that featured LL's trademark Kangol under the wheel of his jeep. LL got at him with the song Jack the Ripper, which forced Moe Dee to get back at him with Let's Go, a diss track so powerful LL actually disappeared for about 2 years.
Lyrical Beatdown:
You need a hand... you got hands for trying to be me, now LL stands for Lower Level, Lack Luster Last Least, Limp Lover Lousy Lame, Latent Lethargic Lazy Lemon, Little Logic Lucky Leech, Liver Lipped Laborious Louse on a Loser's Lips Live in Limbo, Lyrical Lapse Low Life with the loud raps, boy You can't win, huh, I don't bend Look what you got yourself in Just usin' your name I took those L's Hung 'em on your head and rocked YOUR bells...
...Yeah, you're headstrong, but you're dead wrong Wanna survive? Stick with the love songs Take off your shirt, flex and flirt and leave the real hard rhymes to the hard rhyme experts If you don't, boy you'll get hurt feel like dirt and have to revert to comin' on stage butt naked to make up for what you can't do on record Open your eyes twice the size and realize I'm on the rise and you're on the demise...
By the time 1999 came to an end, Nas had pretty much fallen off and things would get worse for him by being outdone on the song Oochie Walley by one of his sidekicks. Some felt it was over for Nasty Nas, especially a rap superstar from Brooklyn by the name of Jay-Z. There had always been this silent war between the two for years; Jay-Z decided to strike with Takeover and kill Nas' career once and for all, by bringing up his lack of success and destroying what little bit of cred he had left. Little did Jay know, he woke up a sleeping giant and Nas fired back with Ether. Nas attacks Jay-Z and the Rocafella camp in great detail with a barrage of insults, in the process, restoring his career and regaining the respect he had lost.
Lyrical Beatdown:
...When these streets keep calling, heard it when I was sleep That this Gay-Z and Cockafella Records wanted beef Started cocking up my weapon, slowly loading up this ammo To explode it on a camel, and his soldiers, I can handle...
... You seem to be only concerned with dissing women Were you abused as a child, scared to smile, they called you ugly? Well life is harsh, hug me...
...Wearing Jaz chains, no tecs, no cash, no cars No jail bars Jigga, no priors, no case Just Hawaiian shirts, hanging with little Chase You a fan, a phony, a fake, a pussy, a Stan I still whip yo' ass, you thirty-six in a karate class You Tae-bo hoe, tryna' work it out, you tryna' get brolic? Ask me if I'm tryna' kick knowledge Nah, I'm tryna' kick the shit you need to learn though That ether, that shit that make your soul burn slow Is he Dame Diddy, Dame Daddy or Dame Dummy? Oh, I get it, you Biggie and he's Puffy...
...Foxy got you hot 'cause you kept your face in her puss What you think, you getting girls now 'cause of your looks? Ne-gro please..
When the title for king of NY became open season, Jay-Z seized the opportunity to the prestigious claim, and the only one standing in his way was Nas. Honestly, their shouldn't have been much of a problem to dispose of the rapper due to his dying popularity. Jay also had a problem with Mobb Deep, since they took issue with his verse: "its like New York's been soft Ever since Snoop came through and crushed the buildings." on his song Money, Cash, Hoes. The beef escalated through various mixtape disses, and eventually Jay attempted to kill two birds with one stone, and damn near succeeded. I know Nas fans will be quick to point out Jay lost the feud with him after Ether. And although Ether is a great diss, Takeover is much better because even though Jay didn't destroy Nas, he definitely finished off Mobb Deep; the crew has never been the same since.
Lyrical Beatdown:
I don't care if you 'Mobb Deep', I hold triggers to crews you little fuck, I got money stacks bigger than you When I was pushing weight, back in '88 you was a ballerina, I got your pictures, I seen ya then you dropped "Shook Ones", switched your demeanor Well, we don't believe you! You need more people!...
...Youse the fag model for Karl Kani/Esco ads Went from, Nasty Nas to Esco's trash Had a spark when you started but now you're just garbage Fell from top ten to not mentioned at all to your bodyguard's "Oochie Wally" verse better than yours ...
...Nigga, you ain't live it, you witnessed it from your folk's pad you scribbled in your notepad and created your life I showed you your first tech on tour with Large Professor then I heard your album 'bout your tech on your dresser So yeah, I sampled your voice, you was using it wrong you made it a hot line, I made it a hot song and you ain't get a coin nigga, you was getting fucked then I know who I paid God, Serchlite Publishing Use your BRAIN!!!You said you been in this ten I've been in it five, smarten up Nas four albums in ten years nigga? I can divide that's one every let's say two, two of them shits was due one was (NAH!), the other was "Illmatic" that's a one hot album every ten year average and that's so LAME!!!...
I'm aware this was a very predictable choice, but you have to be honest and admit that nothing really comes close. No Vaseline is the definitive diss track; it's pure venom from start to finish, all killer and no filler... At all. The diss track is anger incarnate containing racial and homophobic jabs, and it's completely barbaric in the way Cube hurls his insults to his former group. This occurred when Ice Cube figured out that NWA was being screwed out of money by their own boy Eazy-E. He left the group to pursue his solo career only for NWA to diss him first on their song 100 Miles and Runnin'. A few disses would be recorded until Cube decided to release the grandaddy of all disses.
Lyrical Beatdown:
...Ayo Dre, stick to producing Calling me Arnold, but you been a dick Eazy E saw your ass and went in it quick! You got jealous when I got my own company but I'm a man and ain't nobody helpin' me..
...So don't believe what Ren say, cause he's going out like Kunte Kinte, but I got a whip for you Toby, used to be my homey, now you act like you don't know me It's a case of divide and conquer, cause you let a Jew break up my crew House nigga gotta run and hide, yellin' Compton, but you moved to Riverside
...Now I think you a snitch, throw a house nigga in a ditch. Half-pint bitch, fuckin' your homeboys. You little maggot; Eazy E turned faggot. With your manager, fella, fuckin' MC Ren, Dr. Dre, and Yella. But if they were smart as me, Eazy E would be hangin' from a tree. With no vaseline, just a match and a little bit of gasoline. Light 'em up, burn 'em up, flame on... till that Jheri curl is gone.
Oh wow, that record still makes me laugh after all these years. Anyway, I'm glad to finally be through with this, and this will be my last list for a very long time since they are so time consuming. To those out there who actually took their time to read the list as well as listen to the songs I linked to. I would like to say thank you very much and I hope you enjoyed yourself, and maybe even learned something new here. To those who may have issues with songs I left off, or even placement, if you can't post a comment without being insulting then it would be nice if you don't post at all. However, if you want to have a discussion then that's perfectly fine, I enjoy talking about things I do love. And I love hip hop.
WOW amazing list man, in fact this entire count down in all honesty is one of the most fun things I have read ever. That's no bullshit man I really did enjoy this, even though you stated it would take for ever I would love to read you album countdown you mentioned. Now as far as this list man they are all classic, but I favor "Ether" over "Takeover", that is pearsonal taste though I think because I am Nas fan..
Also since it wasn't on here what is your take on the "NY NY" song off of Tha Dogg Pound's 'Dogg Food" album. Some say it is a diss others don't. I am guessing you don't consider it one but I don't want to assume.
MadpenguinOctober 26, 2012
Hey thanks man, I'm glad to see you actually read it, that makes me a feel a lot better because I put so much time and effort into this. I may put together a countdown for my albums, but at the very least, I would like to have the reviews written to support it. It will take a long time to do that.
And man, I hear you on Ether vs. Takeover, and I will never fault anyone for choosing the former over the latter. It was a very close selection, but Takeover must get the nod from me for two reasons: One, it caused irreversible damage to Mobb Deep, they have not been the same since and that was back in 2001. Two, if it wasn't for Takeover, do you think Nas would be as relevant now? I just don't think so, Jay-Z saved his career.
It's a diss, but not as strong as the ones I thought made it. I like the song, the video, and hell, even the album. I still think that's their best album and one of the dopest albums of the 90's.
I would like to see you slap a list together. I wonder what it would look like.
FM_ALEXOctober 26, 2012
Non doubt man I love reading your stuff, to be honest you are one of the few people that I look forward to reading their reviews. And I hear you on the album thing man but just so ya know if you are ever thinking of doing you know I will read it.
I didn't even think about the Mobb Deep destruction on "Takeover", shit their G-Unit album didn't even do that well, that says something. Also I hear ya on the relevance thing man, that diss did inspire Nasir to come hard once again. So I see why it got the nod, you did say from the beginning you would incorporate that in you picks and placement.
"Dogg Food" is indeed their best album and one of the best from the 90's for sure. But I think it was a great diss in that it pissed off so many rappers. It still is mentioned is songs and documentaries to this day. Even in this countdown you mentioned Mobb getting pissed at Jay for saying "its like New York's been soft Ever since Snoop came through and crushed the buildings.".
As far as me doing a list man I think yours is excellent and it wouldn't be necessary. But who knows man if you think I should kick one out I may try to put together something. Your list is absolutely great so if I did one maybe it would be on lesser known ones. Because I if I did one like this to be honest the only thing that would be different is the placement of a few tracks because you nailed all the great ones.
MadpenguinNovember 10, 2012
For a long time I felt Ether was the better diss especially at the moment. But then when you put thtings in that perspective, threre's really no way Takeover isn't the better diss. The effects of that diss is still felt today. That's power.
And thanks. That's nice to hear.
Like I said, I was planning on doing something like that as well as a top 100 anime list, but these things are so time consuming that I don't like the idea all that much putting something like that together with only one person actually reading it. I was so enthusiastic about doing these list, but I honestly got put off early. I may reconsider though but at the moment I don't see myself doing it.
Still, I wouldn't mind at all seeing you do one, and I don't have any problems with you listing the same songs. If your top ten looked just like mine then that's actually a very good thing, because then we know those tracks are powerful. But I tell you, it's universal from what I seen with No Vaseline as #1. I mean it's D Diss make no mistake about it. You will see some tossing Hit'em up as #1, less said about that the better as far as I'm concerned.
Also since it wasn't on here what is your take on the "NY NY" song off of Tha Dogg Pound's 'Dogg Food" album. Some say it is a diss others don't. I am guessing you don't consider it one but I don't want to assume.
And man, I hear you on Ether vs. Takeover, and I will never fault anyone for choosing the former over the latter. It was a very close selection, but Takeover must get the nod from me for two reasons: One, it caused irreversible damage to Mobb Deep, they have not been the same since and that was back in 2001. Two, if it wasn't for Takeover, do you think Nas would be as relevant now? I just don't think so, Jay-Z saved his career.
It's a diss, but not as strong as the ones I thought made it. I like the song, the video, and hell, even the album. I still think that's their best album and one of the dopest albums of the 90's.
I would like to see you slap a list together. I wonder what it would look like.
I didn't even think about the Mobb Deep destruction on "Takeover", shit their G-Unit album didn't even do that well, that says something. Also I hear ya on the relevance thing man, that diss did inspire Nasir to come hard once again. So I see why it got the nod, you did say from the beginning you would incorporate that in you picks and placement.
"Dogg Food" is indeed their best album and one of the best from the 90's for sure. But I think it was a great diss in that it pissed off so many rappers. It still is mentioned is songs and documentaries to this day. Even in this countdown you mentioned Mobb getting pissed at Jay for saying "its like New York's been soft Ever since Snoop came through and crushed the buildings.".
As far as me doing a list man I think yours is excellent and it wouldn't be necessary. But who knows man if you think I should kick one out I may try to put together something. Your list is absolutely great so if I did one maybe it would be on lesser known ones. Because I if I did one like this to be honest the only thing that would be different is the placement of a few tracks because you nailed all the great ones.
And thanks. That's nice to hear.
Like I said, I was planning on doing something like that as well as a top 100 anime list, but these things are so time consuming that I don't like the idea all that much putting something like that together with only one person actually reading it. I was so enthusiastic about doing these list, but I honestly got put off early. I may reconsider though but at the moment I don't see myself doing it.
Still, I wouldn't mind at all seeing you do one, and I don't have any problems with you listing the same songs. If your top ten looked just like mine then that's actually a very good thing, because then we know those tracks are powerful. But I tell you, it's universal from what I seen with No Vaseline as #1. I mean it's D Diss make no mistake about it. You will see some tossing Hit'em up as #1, less said about that the better as far as I'm concerned.