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The site has its issues, but I can't ever see myself truly leaving though. It's a love/hate thing.

  • Oct 4, 2011
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I've been reviewing for over 6 years now, and it appears a week doesn't go by without me dropping at least 5 reviews( for the moment), so I guess it's safe to say that reviewing is a solid hobby of mine, and I know that I'm not quitting any time soon. Not until my personal goals are made anyway. Along the way, I have been on many different review sites with Amazon being the most notable, and after their big change some three years ago, in combination with all the nonsense that comes with being on that site, I found myself just having to leave. I don't remember how epinions came into the picture, but that was my next destination though.

I've been on epinions for a total of three years now, but this is my second run on the site, and I've been there now for a year. Although it has gotten on my nerves in the past, I must admit that it's a site that I respect more than others out there. And the reason is because reviewing comes before anything else. That is their top priority and they never lose sight of that either. So let me go ahead and speak about the site a little, and give all my personal thoughts on it.

What is Epinions?

Epinions is a price comparison review site. Its motto is, " Unbiased reviews by real people". They have the same mission statement that Lunch, Viewpoints, Amazon, etc, has. They take their mission statement to heart, as you will see some of the most knowledgeable reviewers on the Internet in their respected categories. When I truly want quality reviews on well... anything. That's the site I go to because epinions does not fool around. If you have people on this site telling you that you're a great reviewer, go over there and find out for sure, because the community is going to let you know in a hurry.

The way it works is like this. When a person writes a review, it's rated almost immediately by the community, and the person's name is left on your review with a link. There's one out of five ratings you can earn; Very Helpful(the best), Helpful, Somewhat Helpful, Not Helpful (the worst), Off Topic( not helpful). There's a sixth rating out there called Most Helpful, that can only be given by hatted members such as Category Leads and Advisors, I'll cover them later. When your review hits the just ins, which is very similar to Lunch, it will be rated no matter what, therefore, you'll learn in a few minutes where your review stands. Should your review receive any rating other than Not Helpful or Off Topic, it will be seen by the public. The latter ratings will cause your review to be invisible to everyone who does not have an account, and this means no outside hits which is your bread and butter, and it's very important to achieve high ratings because it works into review placement.

The community is very strict with their ratings, and if they vote you down, a majority of the time they will tell you why. The reason for all this is because epinions pays you for your reviews in the form of IS, which is Income Share. And the community is not going to allow you to make easy money off subpar work. You can just forget about that part. It's not like Lunch where someone will give you a perfect score; either to be nice or in hopes of you hitting them back. They can care less if you take your ball and go home. They live and die by,"if you can't take the heat, then get out the kitchen". If you live by," if you can't take the heat, then turn off the stove and serve it raw." You're not going to last there very long.

The way earnings work is like this; based on how many hits your reviews earn, you gain IS in the form of pennies, but can eventually turn into dollars. Epinions is not a site you're going to show up "pop", and then get rich on (though I know of folks who really are caking it). However, you will earn something as oppose to sites that give you nothing. Once your IS hits $10, then you can redeem your money and the site sends you a check that never bounces. At least it has never happened to me or anyone I know of.

The categories are overseen by Advisors and Leads. The Advisors are reviewers who earned those hats by meeting certain requirements. They rate your reviews, and give you advice to help you earn Very Helpful ratings. Some take this as them telling you how to review. They're actually trying to help you, and help shoppers who are coming by to read your stuff. They're not trying to tell you what to do. But when egos get in the way and that monster in the corner of your mind is talking, reason is normally shown the back door. 

The Leads look out for their categories and in the process search for more individuals to either become Advisors or Top Reviewers. Top Reviewers are people who heavily contribute to a specific category, for example, if you post about 20 movie reviews a month, or maybe even more to include some of those reviews are first reviews on products, then you'll likely be selected to become a Top Reviewer during a selection. Some may say, so, who cares about that? Well those hats multiply your IS, and when I was an Advisor in games, I was pulling in some good cash. So there's a reason to care about that.

Creating an account is very easy, but if you plan on setting up shop on that site and cross posting reviews. Then you have to leave a notice in your profile stating you're so-so from Lunch.com, so you're not accused of review theft. And believe me, there's folks on that site who spend all their time catching plagiarizers. And just like that, your review career can be over, unless there's someone you know who can vouch for you not being a thief.

Writing reviews on epinions is very easy along with adding links, you also have the power to delete your reviews (there's sites out there you can't). However, you can't add pictures and videos like you do here, which I have no problem with. The only gripe that I have is that you can't add reviews yourself. You have to navigate to a Lead's page of that particular category you want to review a product in and fill out a form. This is how they control the same products from entering the database. Now one thing about epinions I hate is the search engine. It really does suck and it's by far the worst search engine I have ever had to deal with. Amazon is light years ahead there. Then again, Amazon is beyond everybody in that. Another issue is that they just don't have enough reviews for all their products. Epinions is definitely lacking in coverage, but they work on that every chance they get, in fact, they been working on that for the last three months. Their categories are just like here. They have movies, books, games, cars, magazines, travel, hotels, and even discussion boards. Almost everything you can think about.

Last but not least, epinions has something called the Web of Trust. It's exactly like Amazon's old interesting person list, where you add a member whose contributions you like. The person who you add will know that you added them. Sometimes they will add you in return, sometimes they'll make you wait to feel you out, and sometimes they'll just never add you. Just keep an eye out for those who have a Web of Trust something like this; they trust 99 people, and 999 people trust them. That should tell you how serious they take their Web of Trust and the chances of trusting you back is low. Doesn't necessarily mean ego is an issue(which I think is the case a lot of the time), but they probably only add power reviewers.

Purchasing a product.

I only did that once. I went to Amazon to compare a price, and the price on the site Epinions had linked to had the cheaper price by far. I clicked on the link and it took me to Hot Movies. Making the order was quick and easy. I didn't have any issues. Many of the products have links that send you to some other site like Amazon, Ebay, or other ones I can't remember.


My Experience!

Well, I'll just come straight out and say, that I was one of those individuals who was told that my reviews were great. I went to epinions and found out by their Advisors and even one Lead that my reviews were far from that, and they needed quite a bit of work. I will admit that the truth did bother me. But it didn't last long though; instead of packing my bags and going back to amazon so I could hear how great my reviews were once again. I took all of the advice and critique given to me, and I began reading a lot of reviews written by people who were clearly a lot better than me. I'm not saying that I'm this super reviewer today, but I won't bite my tongue and say I didn't get a lot better. One thing I know is that my reviews are very far from garbage. I know there's folks out there who don't like them, or perhaps they just don't like my style of reviewing. But if you're in the reviewing biz expecting everyone has to like everything you say, and like your reviewing style, then you're living in your own little world I want no part of.

I use to have a serious issue with the epinions community. I really didn't like their mob mentality for a long time, and to a certain degree I still don't. When it comes to down rating someone's review, you'll see folks rating outside of their normal categories just to bury a person. There's even some on the site, who are the first ones piling up on a reviewer who's trying to get a grasp of things, and once they begin to catch on and write better reviews. These individuals will never return again to highly rate anything that reviewer does. I don't like that shit at all, because they did drive a friend off doing hat. On another occasion, one friend I invited posted a review for a different game system, and instead of helping her out to find the real system, they used that mob mentality to gang up on her with Not Helpful votes, and that pissed me off enough to want to leave. On the other hand, that type of community cohesion is actually a good thing, because that's also how they deal with review thieves as well, and support each others reviews. So I guess it has its advantages, but they really should be more mindful on who they choose to tear down.

I enjoy that the reviewer doesn't have the power to delete comments, therefore if he's stealing someone else's work, or just posting false info, then he has no choice but to delete the review. Trolls have very little to no power there. They can vote Not Helpful all they want on someone's review, but if 25 - 40 people all rated that review Very Helpful, all that troll did was waste his time and give you hits, thus, increasing your chances for making money. And when the person is reported, their account and Not Helpful votes disappear, but the hits still remain. I also appreciate that they don't require a real picture of you just to feature your reviews, or to be chosen for hats. They care about your reviews and not your smile.

Despite some of the issues I've had there and the atmosphere can become pretty dull sometimes, I still consider the site my favorite. They focus solely on reviewing, trolls aren't an issue, there's community unity, there's no friendship destroying competition, and on top of that you get a little cash too. I only wish the daily community hits would increase. I have a person on my Web of Trust who I really do trust by the name of TheWisefool, and she mentioned back in 2005, that reviews use to get between 50-80 community hits. I really hope it goes back to those days. I'll probably spend a lot more time there then I do now.

Overall, epinions is a very good site if you can leave your ego at the door. If you truly take reviewing seriously, then I say give it a shot. If they happen to criticize your reviews, don't take it personal, just fix your review. Here's something to think about; if a member takes the time to give you advice, then that means they see potential. I know several who won't even waste the key strokes if they feel they're wasting their  time. If you're interested in the site at all, I highly recommend writing at least five original reviews first before cross-posting anything.

Pros:
-Takes reviewing serious, will help you become a much better reviewer, can earn a few pennies

Cons:
-Mob mentality can rub some folks the wrong way, awful search engine, can't add your own products

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March 17, 2012
"and give you advice to help you earn Very Helpful ratings." I'm glad that's been your experience with Advisors. It's actually much less common than it was years ago. Now there are few Advisors, at least in the Books and Movies categories where I've spent most of my time, who take the time and make the effort. Epinions is less welcoming to newcomers than it was when I started there in 2000.
March 17, 2012
Glad you showed up. And I hear you. There has been one hell of a change over the last two years I would say, and sometimes it can be very aggressive during the promotions. It's a good thing you weren't on the site often in the summer of 2010. It got really bad and the mob mentality was in full force. I experienced the exact same situation you did though on a larger scale too, but I backed out before they started getting ticket happy.

I'm looking forward to your review on the site. As for here, look around and see if it's your thing. It's a lot different from epinions, the negativity is like, low here. I'll send you a friend invite soon.
 
October 10, 2011
I have never reviewed there myself but I have read reviews from that site, yours mostly. In fact I think that is were I first read your "Death note" reviews. Excellent write up.
October 10, 2011
Thanks man. They take reviewing there very seriously. If you ever have a falling out with this site, that wouldn't be a bad place to go.
 
October 05, 2011
I have similar issues with most sites. The problem seems to be that too much emphasis is placed on competition and popularity and it brings out the worst in a lot of people and it attracts people to the site who don't have a genuine appreciation for the goals of the site.
October 05, 2011
Honestly, sites usually take advantage of those human traits. It is what drives the site growth....
October 05, 2011
Yes, but it's also what pushes away the most genuinely dedicated people. They want to express themselves and be welcomed regardless of the difference of opinions that others might have, rather than be ostracized and debated at every step.
October 05, 2011
In the case of epinions, I say it's more an over-zealousness for everyone to gain Very helpful ratings. It's more complicated, and you'll understand it better if you're there. but Woopak would survive there, and so would you.
October 05, 2011
I actually did head over there at one point, but I didn't care for the format and a lot of the specific things I wanted to review weren't on there.
 
October 05, 2011
I've never reviewed on Epinions or checked it out long enough to catch the mob mentality. In fact, Lunch is the first and only review site I've been a part of and I love that you can add media to reviews, that the community is helpful and friendly, that you can read or review anything under the sun and I've learned a lot about subjects that I may never have paid any attention to because I have grown to respect that reviewer. Maybe when I get some time, I'll check out Epinions because I would like to become a better reviewer.
October 05, 2011
The mob mentality definitely exist, that's why it's best to know someone before posting. And the good thing for you is that you know me and even Adrianna. But I'm far more well rounded on the site than she is. Lunch was my intro to being able to add your own products, when Woopak told me about that I thought it was really cool. But I do understand why epinions doesn't have that feature. Look at how many duplicate products you have on Lunch right now?


But if it's your reviewing you want to work on. Then that's the best site to try out. But you can also get better by reading from others who you feel are better reviewers. That helped me out quite a bit.
October 05, 2011
For the record, it was a simple matter of a downloaded game via the PSN versus the old hard copy version. The ONLY difference was the media format, the game itself was exactly the same in both formats. The fact that they were willing to slam me for that one small matter was nothing more than spite - teach the newbie a lesson she'll never forget. Not only that, but not recognizing downloaded media as a viable format for movies, music, AND video games is extremely short sighted. And having to "request" a new category for such things is, in my mind, redundant. I have hard copy versions of some of my favorite music, but I can easily download the SAME CDs and they are just that, the same.

I have to disagree on this one. I don't see how anyone can become a better reviewer if the only feedback they're going to get is negative, some to the point of being deliberately inflammatory.  I agree with djevoke. I like Lunch for the same reasons. Yes, there are a ton of duplicate entries, and yes I'm sure that some refining could be done to eliminate this problem in the future. Still, I like how relaxed and informal Lunch is compared to pretty much every other review site out there. And whenever I get a comment on one of my reviews I don't dread reading it. I can handle constructive criticism, but I also know that I put a lot of work into everything I review, and that''s why Epinions got on my last nerve right away, because they just assume because some of them have a title they're better than everyone else. I don't much care about rewards either. I don't review at Amazon anymore, but I do try to adhere to the suggestion of 'telling others what I would want to know.'  On the Internet, it is extremely easy to ruin a person's reputation, especially those that don't deserve it. So, it doesn't seem too far fetched to me that all it would take is for two Epinions Advisors to get together - they tell their friends, etc etc, and before you know it you've lost all credibility just because of some newbie mistake.

Ok. I'm done now. I can let a lot of things slide, but for some reason my experience there just gets to me even now.  Sorry for the rant. =) 
October 05, 2011
Rant appreciated, Storm! There are some duplicates on here and every time I come across, I'm glad to have the merge tool. It takes two seconds and takes care of too many duplicates crowding the system. Here's the FAQ on How to Merge a Topic. We try our best to get to as many as possible but, if you see any and are unable to merge them, please let me know so I can take care of it.

I'm sorry you had that experience, Stormtamer but, I'm glad that you've found a reviewing home at Lunch! I'm glad that it helped you with your reviewing, Penguin, as well as made you a little money :)
October 05, 2011
I knew that was the reason, which is why I took that straight to the boards and went directly against the one who first rated you. The person couldn't answer why they did that and chose to run away from it, and there was nothing to go on about. And for the record, they weren't an Advisor, just someone who loves to attack newbies, and you fell victim to the mob mentality.

As far as becoming a better reviewer... I didn't want to stir up bad feelings by mentioning the truth, but some of those bad reviews you read on the "other site" in regards to epinions, were kind of over exaggerated by people who wanted very helpful ratings; for reviews heavily plagued by improper use of grammar, very long run on sentences, and confusing facts with opinions. I was there when those exact same individuals were supposedly being treated like children and they completely ignored the Advisors like Great Pilgrim and the late Don Krider, who really are and were good folks who truly gave helpful advice and never talked down to them. In fact, I clearly remember one of the Leads in movies offering help through review tips. Those disgruntled reviewers just thought they were above it. Those individuals are the type of reviewers who run around believing that every word that comes out of their mouth should be treated with respect, no matter how thought less and stupid it may sound. Some people called a spade a spade, and those particular individuals didn't like it. Thus, the Advisors "think they're better than everybody".  I had one bad experience with an advisor, but it seemed more like a personal thing. When I got down to it, it had nothing to do with reviewing at all.

As for the chillax feel of Lunch, that's why I like it here. It gives me a break from that business like atmosphere on epinions. And don't worry about the rant. You're one of the only folks who I know for a fact have a real reason to be pissed. I told the Lead in games epinions lost a fantastic game reviewer.
October 07, 2011
You know, I have my settings here to tell me when I get a comment or whatever. I missed the notification for this though. Sorry about that. I thank you for that. It means a lot. I think I'm better off here where I feel like I can be myself, and not censor myself too much (wonder if I'm rambling on too much about my favorite things). 

I didn't know topics here could be merged. I know I forget to add tags, but I never knew about merging. 
October 07, 2011
You are most welcome, we're glad to have you on here! Merging- super simple and cuts out the duplicates that sometimes find their way here through our auto importers via Amazon, ePinions, imdb, etc. If you have any questions on anything here, feel free to let me know or you can check out the FAQs on the bottom of the page, there's a lot of helpful tips there.
 
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